Due to overcrowding at South County Secondary School, school boundaries for Hayfield Secondary, Lake Braddock Secondary and South County Secondary Schools are once more in question. All affected communities are invited to two important town meetings -- one is this evening, Tuesday, October 10, and the next is on Wednesday, November 1, at 7:30 p.m., both at South County Secondary School's auditorium.
What’s happening to change it?
The Fairfax County School Board is reviewing at least two possible boundary scenarios: making a traditional boundary adjustment based on geography; or eliminating the middle school from South County Secondary and dividing the middle school population (projected at more than 1,000 students) between Hayfield Secondary and Lake Braddock Secondary Schools based on available seats at each school.
What are the desired outcomes?
- Hayfield Secondary School (HSS) should remain under capacity if boundaries are redrawn to allow for future growth. HSS was well over capacity for well over a decade!
- HSS should remain a balanced, diverse and desirable community school, with only elementary schools in the immediately surrounding neighborhoods feeding the school.
- Students should stay at HSS for all six years of middle and high school. Hayfield and Lake Braddock are secondary schools with carefully planned and separate spaces for middle school and high school populations. A large middle school population and a smaller high school population would be detrimental to the educational quality on both sides of the building.
- Transportation routes and bus ride time MUST be considered during the boundary-setting process.
- The school board MUST consider consequences from DoD’s Base Realignment and Closure (BRAC) process –– with a potential influx of 20,000 workers at Fort Belvoir over the next four years.
What about these town meetings?
Please plan to attend this evening's (Tuesday, October 10) meeting, and be sure to mark your calendar for the follow-up meeting on Wednesday, November 1. Each meeting begins at 7:30 p.m. in the auditorium of South County Secondary School, located at 8501 Silverbrook Rd., Lorton, VA 22079. The meetings will feature group discussions and breakout sessions so the school board can gather data and info from the affected communities. As parents, residents and voters, you are strongly encouraged to attend and prove to the school board that you have a vested interest in the educational needs of your children and the welfare of your community. That’s why it’s important to be there!
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«Oldest ‹Older 2001 – 2200 of 2729 Newer› Newest»Sure, it could have been. It was some brainwashed Crosspointe person I'm sure. Doesn't care about anybody but him or herself. Hate to see what their kid's attitudes are.
If the owner of this blog is still around: I need to send you an email regarding some questionable SB happenings that you may want to forward to your Hayfield group. Is there an address that I can send it to?
Dear 1/03/2007 11:36 PM,
Your alcoholic parents abused you when you where young right?
Sorry, I meant when you "were" young.
I agree with 11:36. Once the SCSS rids themselves of the students they don't want they will fight to keep them out.
1/04/2007 12:48 AM
You can forward your information to Boundhay@hotmail.com
http://www.fcps.edu/schlbd/requestspeak.htm
Don't forget to sign up and speak!
1/04/2007 7:58 AM
So when some of the silverbrook students that leave to go to LB, we won't have to worry about them coming back and filling up the SCSS space.
If a Middle School is built or if space opens up at SCSS the people from Crosspointe will be welcome back (if they ever leave). They would likely be the ones that get credit for getting the school built.
So once again, Crosspointe thinks that when a school gets built, even with the help of other communities, only Crosspointe students would be allowed to go back.
Talk about being stuck-up!
This is the problem with the option Gary presented at the school board meeting. It is dividing communties that live very close to each other. Presenting an option that only affected the east side of 95 was very bad. That is why I am in favor of option 1. It eliminates the overcrowding at the school and the pain of this issue is felt by all and by both LB and HF. It is not fair to segregate out one community.
Yet option one puts the most pain on the kids. The communities will get over it.
Gary's option is fine. I would encourage the board to take action on utilizing LB sooner than later and I would consider leaving Lorton valley at SCSS, but all in all it is fine. Let's not get stupid and bring back Option #1.
The most critical time for kids is high school. I would rather send my kid out for 7th and 8th grade and have them close to home for high school for a variety of reasons. One, being if they drive they will not have a long commute. Two, they will be able to participate in acitivities and I will be able to be involved since I will not have a long commute to there school during rush hour. Many military families state that they look to be stationed in an area for 4 years when there child reaches high school age because this is the most important time. It is not communities getting over this but us looking out for the best intests of ALL kids.
Option #1 is bad for ALL KIDS and ALL THREE attendance areas. It may be something SC can put up with for two years, but LB and HF WILL NOT put up with it permanently. We absolutely should not make the Middle Schools at LB and HF overcapacity, leave the High Schools undercapacity, create split feeders out of Middle Schools inside of Secondary Schools, bus kids from all over South County all because parents in the "border regions" don't want to change schools. NO! NO! NO!
I would like to know the actual bus travel times from Mason Neck to SCSS vs. Hayfield. I heard that there was little difference in travel time, especially now that the Rt.1 road work is finished. I am sure Mason Neck parents have their numbers, but surely F&P could find out the actual travel time difference. I think it is wrong to send Lorton Valley to Hayfield, when they can walk to SCSS. Mason Neck should be at Hayfield. Are the busses going to pass each other on Lorton Road? LB should also be used starting with 7th grade.
From the stops of last year:
To Hayfield:
Gunston RD WY and Mt. Vernon BLVD 6:05 AM pick-up
TO SCSS:
Same stop as above pick up time 6:10
Calll Transportation they will verify.
1/04/2007 12:06 PM
Glad you posted that!
The funny thing, talk to the Mason Neck folk, and they will tell you the commute to Hayfield is 15 to 20 miles away!
Mason Neck AND Lorton Valley should go to SCSS! Why do you insist on making this an either or?
With a 6:10 pick up time Mason Neck gets to school too early. That time needs to be changed to 6:30 or later.
It is just wrong that Mason Neck goes to SCSS before Lorton Valley.
Mason Neck has been waiting for decades to get a school closer to them. How long has most of Lorton Valley been around, 2-3 years. It is right that the southern most part of the county go to South County secondary.
Both Lorton Valley and Mason Neck should go to SCSS. Neither of you have a better claim than the other. You should get together, pool your resources, and speak at the hearing next week.
Don't be surprised if there is not an effort to send BOTH areas to Hayfield as in Option #3. Then you would not only be bussed to a school you don't want to be at, but it would have trailers by 2011! There will be an effort to do that to make more room at SCSS available for your friends that are avoiding Lake Braddock.
How about Newington Forest to hayfield and northern SB to LB. Leave the rest as is.
I too wish all could stay at SCSS and let Hayfield relieve other schools which will no doubt become over crowded when Brac gets going. Edison, Lee and West Potomac are almost at capacity, it would make most sense to leave Hayfield alone now, so that crowding relief for areas in Alexandria and Franconia can be taken care of later by a school in these areas instead of reaching down to Lorton which has never had a close community tie to the Alexandria/Kingstowne area. But then that would be smart planning, something the School board and Lake Braddock are against.
Silverbrook to Lake Braddock must be part of the solution.
Or Newington Forestt to Lake Braddock would also work, just don't bring too many back to Hayfield!
3:35
If you choose to live in an area that is removed then would you not expect it to take time to get to conveniences and services such as a school? The residents of MN surely must of been aware of this when deciding to live there. We all pay a price for what we want don't we? Is Lorton Valley paying the price for Mason Neck?
MN was involved in getting SCSS built before Lorton Valley existed. Isn't that Liz Bradsheer's position when she complained about Lorton Station getting in the SCSS boundary. MN has every right to be at SCSS just as much right as Lorton Valley. They should both be at SCSS as far as I am concerned.
What did MN exactly do again? And how many people assisted with this endeavor from MN?
Why is there so much concern over MN an area contributing less then 100 students? The overcrowding at SCSS is much bigger then this and the only real relief will come too SCSS when larger numbers can be moved to LBSS.
Why is there so much concern over MN an area contributing less then 100 students? The overcrowding at SCSS is much bigger then this and the only real relief will come too SCSS when larger numbers can be moved to LBSS.
Mason Neck has earned every right to be at South County and stay there!!!!
For many years we had to ride the bus to Hayfield, too long of a commute, it’s about time we get a school closer to our homes. Too bad for Lorton, Silverbrook, or Newington Forest! We earned it!!
Just about all of Mason Neck assisted in getting SCSS built. They are key to getting a Middle School built as well. They are just as organized and dedicated as Silverbrook. (albeit smaller and not as wealthy).
Mason Neck must stay at SCSS if there is to be a MS before it is currently planned in the CIP.
Who assisted from Mason Neck with SCSS? Smoke and mirrors again from MN.
They did very little in the overall picture of getting SCSS built.
5:47 and 5:49 sound as if they are actually from Silverbrook. What a surprise that someone from that Crosspointe Crowd would misrepresent.
No not Silverbrook. Once again SB takes the blame in your misrepresentation.
So who would pretend to be from a tiny community in the most southern tip of the current SCSS boundaries,not to mention the entire Fairfax County?
aaahhhhhhh
MASON NECK???
Does anyone want to go to Lake Braddock or Hayfield?
That makes a lot of sense. Mason Neck is faking Mason Neck posts.
It's definitely written by that whackjob in Silverbrook who can't control exclamation point usage.
Who will run for Belter's position on the board?
Most of Mason Neck worked very hard to get into SCSS, but not to get it built. They will stay at SCSS because Dan Storck will see to it.
Good for him. Can he help Lorton Valley also?
Not sure if he is interested in Lorton Valley. He needs to remember that he represents Mt. Vernon district, not just Mason Neck.
Who will fight to support Lorton Valley?
Sounds like those whackjob Red Neck, I mean, Mason Neck are at it again.
Candidates for any School Board position need to remember to think beyond what their little elementary school wants and what is truly best for FCPS.
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No they don't. They need to consider what the people in their District that vote think is best.
I doubt that anyone from Mason Neck even reads this blog, let alone posts to it.
4:56 and 8:24-#1
If the candidate wants to get elected for the first time or whether the candidate is an incumbent, the candidate must realize that the District encompasses neighborhood far beyond their subdivision.
8:24-#2,I agree!
What is best for FCPS is to build a Middle School in Lorton. It should be moved up on the CIP and ground broken immediately.
Absolutely not! What a waste of $$ to build a school that is unecessary as long as the excess capacity at Hayfield and Lake Braddock is greater than the overcapacity at South County.
If people demand to send their kids to SCSS with its appalling overcrowded conditions, I have not problems. Just no middle school while there is so much empty space at nearby schools.
Anyone speaking at the hearings?
yes I am, giving up watching the college championship game to speak tonight. Thank goodness for Tivo. Please don't post the score, as I will be on a sports news blackout until I can watch the game.
Its is plain to see that the South County community is already circling the wagons for the next boundary study by wanting to once again remove students from East of 95 if a new middle school does not come about. It appears the Western area of South County will refuse to admit that Lake Braddock will have room and would prefer to bus kids East of 95 and pack them into Hayfield.
If you didn't speak at the hearings, PLEASE write to the SB et al. Even if you did speak, FCPS needs to hear from you multiple times.
There is no way that LB should not be used as part of the South County solution.
If you didn't speak at the hearings, PLEASE write to the SB et al. Even if you did speak, FCPS needs to hear from you multiple times.
There is no way that LB should not be used as part of the South County solution.
I have a question. If a middle school suddenly appeared in South County, would there be enough room at South county to have all the students currently in the boundary stay or would some still have to be redistricted to Lake Braddock?
All would stay.
I wonder, would there be enough room to fix the split feeders of Gunston and Lorton Station and include them in South County if a new middle school is built.
If you want your child to stay at SCSS, push for the Middle School and Option 1. Obviously, both HF and LB are opposed to this option, but it's the most equitable to all involved in this mess.
On paper it looks equitable, but to send 7th and 8th graders to another overcrowded school only to come back in two years seems harder on the children then if they just commuted a little further for the entire 6 years. Hayfield's middle school would be larger then the high school and would not help at all Hayfield's High school programs because there still would not be enough high school age kids. I think Hayfield should take in either Groveton ES or Saratoga ES to relieve the overcrowding that will be coming to West Potomac and Lee. Those schools area at least a little closer to Hayfield. Leave SCSS crowded until they get the middle school and use Lake Braddock in a few years when that school's population begins to drop.
There is no need for a middle school when the LB population drops.
I love the "magic crystal ball" people that are convinced the LB population will drop. The Middle School is definitely needed, sooner thyan later.
The crystal ball is projections. They are not perfect but they do indicate a drop not only at Lake Braddock but for the county as a whole. Projections for Hayfield have a slight up and down over the next five years or basically flat. After the adjustment again to Hayfield this year, Hayfield's population will grow and stablize near capacity levels by the year 2012. With no planned adjustment to Lake Braddock, they will be at around the same population as Hayfield by the year 2012, which means they will have around 900 empty seats. I know you don't like to face facts but the facts are the facts. Unless Lake Braddock's walls start suddenly closing in, the space will be there.
Take a look at the schools around Hayfield; Mt. Vernon, & W. Potomac you will see the number drop even more. The middle schools will also have a lot of empty seats. The schools around Lake Braddock will be at capacity or over. Lake Braddock can help with the OC at these schools. Wouldn’t it make sense to use the seats on the east side first? Or, do communities feel these schools are not desirable enough.
4:59--
Your facts are fiction. read the CIP and try again.
Facilties has been projecting a decrease for a long time at Lake Braddock. It hasn't happened.
Read the CIP again:
In 2011
West Po - 392 empty seats
Mt.Vernon - 925 empty seats
Hayfield - 781 empty seats
Edison - 154 empty seats
Lee - 179 empty seats
Now you do the math for empty seats in the east.
West Potomac and Mount Vernon are hardly "around" Hayfield. Yes, if nothing changes Hayfield will have 781 empty seats, noone is saying don't send kids to Hayfield! so that 781 will be less then 200 if the School board accepts the recommendation. I heard over and over again look to room in the east. Who other then Mason neck would you send to West Potomac? and how does sending 93 kids from Mason neck relieve overcrowding at SCSS. Please tell me, what would you do to use the room at West Potomac, and Mt Vernon to ease the crowding at SCSS?
opps you omitted the CIP 2011 numbers for Lake Braddock. Let me help
753 empty seats.
The schools out west will be OC and Lake Braddock can help with that. It looks like nobody wants to go to the schools out east. Build the Middle School.
How about a little more help. Lets see you were talking about the CIP for neighboring High Schools of Hayfield. Lets do the same for the schools boarding Lake Braddock for 2011 projections on the CIP
Robinson 318 Empty Seats!
West Springfield 192 Empty Seats!
Your argument of looking to empty seats is a red harring and intended to throw smoke up to avoid being redistricted to Lake Braddock. The Schools next to Lake Braddock other then SCSS will not need relief and will feel far less (if any) effects from BRAC. Edison and Lee are projected near capacity and will feel the effect of BRAC and will probably be overcapacity. Mount Vernon has plenty of room and can assorb the effects of BRAC.
The folks down Rt. one deserve to go to a school nearby. They have historically be looked upon as the arm pit of this county and you know it and now every effort is being put forth to ship them out again because they are not organize, not as well informed, and not as vocal as those of us that have more time to get involved. I hope someone on the board has their interest at heart.
I had the number wrong for West Springfield the will only have 89 empty seats in 2011, still not crowded. Besides good luch trying to redistrict those boundaries to Lake Braddock. That won't happen.
The EPG site is expecting 18,000 workers. This is west of I-95. Robinson has a modular and according to the CIP 18 trailers, WSHS has 10 trailers. Modulars are used as capacity. No school should have 4100 students, why send anyone to a school with 3800 kids--like LBSS?
The EPG site is expecting 18,000 workers. This is west of I-95. Robinson has a modular and according to the CIP 18 trailers, WSHS has 10 trailers. Modulars are used as capacity. No school should have 4100 students, why send anyone to a school with 3800 kids--like LBSS?
The EPG site is expecting 18,000 workers. This is west of I-95. Robinson has a modular and according to the CIP 18 trailers, WSHS has 10 trailers. Modulars are used as capacity. No school should have 4100 students, why send anyone to a school with 3800 kids--like LBSS?
9:11
Try to stay on topic. We were talking 5 yrs from now LBSS would not have 3800 kids, more like 3200. Again you try to confuse and cloud the issue. Room is coming. Brac will have an effect but not nearly as much on LBSS as it will on schools like Lee, Edison and Hayfield. The Saratoga area which surrounds EPA feeds Lee. Hayfield and Edison are in between the total 22,000 jobs coming to the area. LBSS must be utilized or SCSS must remain overcrowded.
Someone please show me how you propose to use the seats at West Potomac and Mt. Vernon?
Wy does everyone assume the BRAC influx will only cluster around Fr. Belvoir. Folks will buy their houses in the community they feel most comfortable, with many decising for the LB attendance area. LBSS is not the fix all for the overcrowding at SCSS.
Who has said all the SC overcapacity should be sent to LB? I missed that option.
What everybody is saying publically and privately is that Hayfield and Lake Braddock should BOTH be considered since they BOTH have empty seats.
LBSS is part of the solution as is HSS.
Does anyone here know if any progress is being made in the effort to fund a new middle school?
9:44 - Your comments are valid. Lake Braddock needs to be used as part of the solution. Dan Storck seems to focus on Mason Neck, yet he also represents the Saratoga area and you are right, 18,000 jobs are coming to the EPG which is in the Saratoga Elementary school district. I think that is a far bigger problem.
I still support Option 2A. Make room on the peripheries of SC by moving kids into LB and H.
Public Takes Its Turn
Middle school in South County unites parents, while boundary recommendations divide neighborhoods.
By Amber Healy
January 10, 2007
Photos by Robbie Hammer/The Connection
Kelly Smith and Madeleine Bradsher spoke about school redistricting during a public hearing on Jan. 8 of the Fairfax County School Board.
Fairfax County School Board members listen to concerned citizens during a two-day public hearing on school boundaries at Jackson Middle School.
Every story, the saying goes, has two sides. In the case of the boundary study involving South County, Lake Braddock and Hayfield Secondary schools, the story has more like three sides, maybe even four.
There are the Mason Neck residents, grateful to remain in the South County attendance area instead of looking to a long commute to Hayfield.
The Silverbrook community, once threatened to be split apart and sent to Hayfield or Lake Braddock, is now safely resting in South County's sights.
And then there are the residents of Lorton Station and Lorton Valley, currently on the chopping block if the School Board adopts the changes recommended to them by the Facilities Planning staff last month.
Over two nights of public hearings, nearly 160 residents signed up to speak on either the South County boundary or one that proposes creating a new Gifted/Talented center at Luther Jackson Middle School in Falls Church. Parents and students alike stepped up to the podium to plead their case, asking the School Board to consider their best interests before making their decision on Thursday, Feb. 22.
Only a handful of speakers from Lorton Station and Lorton Valley signed up to speak, ironic considering if the proposed recommendation is passed, their children will be the ones relocated from South County to Hayfield.
"This recommendation flies in the face of the School Board's goal of maintaining socio-economic demographics as much as possible in each school," said Kacie Greenwood-Ekman, a Lorton Station resident. "This recommendation would increase the number of children eligible for free and reduced lunch and the number of ESOL (English Speakers of Other Languages) students at Hayfield, making South County even more affluent."
MOVING LORTON STATION children, many of whom live on the eastern side of Interstate 95, would be "a stake in the heart of this new community," Greenwood-Ekman said. "Some of our more affluent families are already looking to move to the other side of 95 so their children will be allowed the privilege of attending South County."
Lorton Station resident Mary Cummings told the School Board the boundary study is "destroying friendships and relationships and is pitting neighborhood against neighborhood. It reminds me of the 1950s and '60s, when certain groups were denied access to things because of their race."
Cummings, like other Lorton Station residents, said Option 1 is the only choice, which would convert South County to a high school by sending all seventh and eighth grade students to Hayfield or Lake Braddock.
"South County was designed to be a high school, not a short term solution to the middle school problem," she said.
Greg Schuckman said he was alarmed and concerned when his daughter brought home a flier from the Lorton Station Elementary PTA announcing the public hearings Tuesday afternoon, when it was already too late to sign up to speak.
"A lot of parents just didn't know about the meeting until today," he said. "
Schuckman pointed out the irony of the Lorton situation, a place where a few decades ago inmates fought to get out.
"This is a 180-degree turn-around, now we're fighting to get in," he said. "All of us are trying to be paroled, we didn't do anything wrong."
As the mother of twin 9-year-olds, one of whom is autistic, Denise Bar said moving her children to Hayfield would drastically reduce the amount of time she'd have to volunteer at their school.
"Why are Lorton Station children the sacrificial lambs here," she asked the School Board. "We are still hurting from the last two years because we feel unwelcome and undesirable. Suggesting to send my children to school in Alexandria when we're only a mile from Lorton Station is ridiculous."
Both nights began with students approaching the podium first, facing an uncertain educational future.
"I'm a junior at South County, and I really don't think the overcrowding is that bad," said Laura York. "It helps us be more competitive. I feel like part of my community here at South County. The boundary study won't affect me, but it will affect my sister and the kids I baby-sit."
Gunston Elementary student Ellie Kyle said if she had to endure the 14-mile commute to Hayfield instead of the shorter trip to South County, she'd lose time she could spend "doing homework, practicing the flute or being with my family. Please don't move us out of our community school."
Hayfield student Angela Sudik had a different story, saying that adding hundreds of middle school students would choke hallways that are already packed during lunch time.
"If you add 100 more students, I hope we'll still be able to get through the lunch line and have time to eat," she said.
Several students said this was the second or third time they'd stood at the podium talking about South County.
"The first time I was here was seven years ago," said Madeline Bradsher. "I was here before the School Board thought we needed a high school. Please let me stay in the school we waited so long to attend."
Many parents told the School Board the only acceptable solution was to build a middle school now, instead of waiting until 2017, when it is currently listed to be built by the Capital Improvement Program (CIP).
"This is a problem that could and should have been avoided," said Elaine O'Hora. "We deserve a middle school now. South County was built as a temporary secondary school."
The influx of students at Hayfield would be just another spike in the population of a school that has been subjected to more boundary studies than most schools, said Hayfield parent Marie Sudik.
"It's not easy to provide stability to our students with a culture that changes every few years. Last time, they lost friends, teachers and after-school programs," she said. "Next year, we'll have to find new teachers and new classrooms. Maybe you think we're always the solution but we'd rather be stable that a short-term band-aid."
Other parents were grateful the recommendation, as it would provide a two-year opportunity not only to find funding for a middle school, but time to gain more information about the possible impact of BRAC (Base Realignment and Closure) changes to Fort Belvoir, bringing with it 22,000 people to the area.
"South County is growing by leaps and bounds without BRAC numbers," said David Kormis. "For the past 20 years, residents here have worked as a whole for the benefit of our students ... you need to order, not ask, your staff to explore a public-private partnership to get the middle school built."
The only people who seemed fully happy with the recommendation were parents from Mason Neck and the Silverbrook Elementary School attendance area, whose children would remain at South County. But even then, some parents were hesitant to sing the School Board's praises too much.
"I can't stand up with good conscious and support Option 3," said Elizabeth Bradsher, a Silverbrook-area resident. "The scope of the study is restricted and ... leaves South County at 117 percent capacity."
"Building a middle school is the only real solution that best meets the needs of everyone and is the only solution that keeps our community together," said John Pionzio, a Mason Neck resident.
Another Mason Neck resident, Keith Salisbury, pointed out that while Lorton Station and Lorton Valley might be closer to South County, "everyone's closer to Hayfield than we are. This community deserves a middle school and the chance to go to their community high school."
Once again Bradsheer, wants a broader study, yet LBSS is left out of this one. The only broader study she wants is a study that would remove the folks east of 95.
The space avaiable at LBSS and Hayfield is about the same in 2011-2012.
If people want this to end, ALL communties need to band together and write your School Board member and let them know the only solution is to give the communtiies currently living in South County two more years to find funding for a middles school. If we don't all band together and push this to the school board Option 3/4 will pass and we will be back at this again in two years since it does not fix the over capacity at SC. Students are happy going to this school and the split bell system works. If we don't mind living with an over crowded school for two more years we need to tell the school board to wait. We must help each other to stop this insane process and end it now with telling the school board to do nothing.
This can end with Option 2, 3, or 4. All of them are workable solutions. The space at HF and LBSS is available for the students rising from the Elemenatary schools.
The communities have banded together and will get a Middle School. It is almost a done deal. This study helps to get some of the Lorton Station area out of the school. We can get the rest of the area E of I-95 (and bring back Lorton Valley) when we draw the LHES boundaries. Mason neck can stay for now (they help get the Middle School), but eventually they can go to Mount Vernon.
That is why any study in the future needs to "look to the east". The study two years from now should include Hayfield and Mount Vernon and not LBSS.
It looks like 9:37 is a little instigator, but I guess that’s what spices up this blog. At least it adds some interesting reading and sees how far some bloggers will go. They get the BS award today.
What an obnoxious comment. First, Lorton Valley is not east of 95. They are a 1/4 mile from the school and can walk to it if they have to. You can not use communities and then throw them to the waste side when you are done. Who do you think you are? South County by definition would be those east of 95. Get off your high horse and start thinking. You claim you are so well educated yet you are unwilling to see this process for what it is. Flawed and unjust.
We could also send all of siverbrook to LBSS after LHES opens and put Lorton Valley back at SCss and the rest of Lorton station.
Hayfield should be left out of this after this year.
9:37 is racially motivated.
10:51 - why on earth is 9:37 racially motivated? Looking to the east only makes sense based on current population trends. It has nothing to do with race.
Of course not. It is not like the outside consultant came back and said LBSS was full. No, instead he came back and reported they had seats. Yet, no one wants to except that. It is not like the recommendation removed the closest elementary school. It is not like the recommendation removed one of the closest communities to the school, Lorton Valley, Shirley Acres. It is not like the recommendation removed the most diverse part of SCSS. Why would anyone think this was motivated by race.
9:37 goal is to remove east of 95 neighborhoods. Doing that removes the most diverse neighborhoods which I think is racially or at least socio-economically motivated.
Option 4 said at no cost. What does that mean? What paid for South County? Just because money came from the county does not mean taxpayers didn't pay for it. The proposed budget has projected costs to open new schools on p.64. For middle schools, it is about 2 million in recurring salaries excluding the teachers for a total of 4 million with the vast majority being recurring costs.
9:37 is speaking the truth. The surplus capacity is to the east of I-95. It's based on location not race. MN belongs at Hayfield and if they don't like that Mount Vernon is an option.
Silverbrook/LB need to shoulder some of the responsibility for the SC overcrowding. Hayfield can't do it all.
Surplus capacity can be to east, west, north or south of 95. Please tell me of another jurisdiction in the County where the closest elementary school, Lorton Station ES, and those students do not go to the closest school and are shipped out so that students from other schools can be shipped in to the school?
ok say you put MN at Hayfield, the removes 1 percent, SCSS is still crowded. Now what. I know you want to send all of east 95 to Hayfield right. Lake Braddock will have room USE IT!
I agree. MN should go to Hayfield. They've attended that school since it opened and it is pretty close by. Just go down Route 1 and then take Telegraph Road. Mount Vernon is also doable since it's straight down Route 1. These are easier commutes than going to SCSS.
Saratoga plus the Newington Forest finger and some of eastern Silverbrook could be at Hayfield instead of Lorton Station. The schools that would remain at SC would be Lorton, Gunston, Halley, Laurel Hills.
FCPS needs to dominoe attendance areas west to east in this section of the county in a "swoop" to get kids into Mount Vernon along with a change from Whitman and Sandburg for HS feeds. Why should we pay for busses when each school could then have walkers? Also Sandburg is bigger than Whitman but WP is smaller than MV. The transportation study picked up on the oddities. In Northern FX it needs to do the opposite - east to west. There is the racial/socio economic thing with Langley where they're building rather than sending kids to Herndon or South Lakes. That is not what is happening with Lorton Station- the 9:37 poster seems to be basing the opinion on geography. I'm basing mine on how to get the most for tax dollars including teachers salaries.
There is just as much surplus capacity at LBSS as there is at Hayfield. Both have about 750 empty seat in 2011-2012. That is when rising 7th graders will be seniors.
Hayfield should be in the study in two years to considering sending some (Loton Valley) back to SCSS.
However, it will probably be considered under the auscipices of "fixing split feeders". The real reason will be to move Hagel circle.
Almost of all of Gunston goes to Hayfield now -- and they like it. The only part of Gunston ES that goes to SCSS is MN and that is @7-10/year.
I read in the Connection that LS people weren't notified in time through the school regarding public hearing speaking opportunities. It is time for the neighborhoods of Lorton Station to get their HOAs together and broadcast it through that. A three minute soundbite is outweighed by multiple mailings to all of the SB members. Don't think that Silverbrrok is done communicating their views. Crosspointe and Barrington parents are ecouraged to repeatedly write to the SB on a weekly basis.
Let the SB know again and again and again that Lake Braddock must be part of the solution.
This is why I say put Lorton Valley back in with Mason neck to SCSS then leave Hayfield out of any further "fix" for the crowding caused by silverbrook and or newington forest. Hayfield's room can be better utilized by communities closer to Hayfield. Noone in Lorton wants to go to Hayfield anyway and it appears to me they don't want anything to do with us here in Alexandria. They area happy at SCSS leave them there and keep there bad mistaken attitudes at SCSS. Use LBSS leave us alone.
1:48
Well said. Put Lorton Valley back in SCSS and let the fix come from somewhere other than Hayfield. Like 1:20 (& the CIP, & F&P, and McKibbon, etc) say: Hayfield and Lake Braddock have about the same amount of space available for next year's rising 7th graders. LBSS is the solution for the rest of the OC at SCSS.
Some people on this blog are delusional. LB has no capacity! The capacity is at Hayfield (and Mount Vernon) which is why the SB is focusing on that area. LS and MN belong at Hayfield and it's going to happen. It would be much easier if those people accepted it and started working to fix Hayfield.
So who is going to sit in the empty seats at Lake Braddock?
We need to stop busing all those kids into SCSS. If they would attend their own schools on the east side of the county SCSS would not have an overcrowding problem. How did they ever get in anyway? I've heard it was that creepy Dan Storck guy who got them in.
What I find really ironic in the pursuit of the early construction of a middle school is the impact on SC students over the next five plus years. Should the parents even find the funding for a new school within the next two years I bet it would take at least another two to three years to get it built, in fact I would estimate that there is no way the middle school would open for students any earlier than the 2011 -2012 school year. That means that children in kindergarten now will be the first pupils in the MS and students older than them will spend some portion of their middle / high school years packed into over crowded schools – kids in 7th grade now will probably never see any benefit. Yet the solution could be achieved next year if the parents would really look at this in the light of what is in the best interest of their children. Face it, you are sacrificing your children for your own selfish desire to spend less time in your cars going back and forth to school – I really think that is a/the major motivator in all of this. You should have considered factors such as that when you decided where to live! The hypocrisy of it all…..
Now, don’t even get me started on the waist of the taxpayers dollars…..even if you find the construction funds, the County (taxpayers) will have to pick up the operation and maintenance funds for a school that is not even required. I would like to see a business case on all of this….I bet it would be much cheaper to bus all the Silverbrook kids to the Mount Vernon area middle schools. Now that is an idea non-South County tax payers would probably agree to!
I can't believe Hayfield is only being used at 71%. They have enough room there to solve the SCSS over crowding all by themselves. I think the school board knows this which is why they're focused on sending more kinds there.
Even if MN goes to Hayfield (as in the original #3) SCSS will be overcrowded.
The space predicted for Hayfield and LB is about the same in 2011. F/P and McKibbon used the same method to predict them both. The predictions have the same level of accuracy (or inaccuracy).
Both predictions are probably on the low side -- perhaps at much as 10%. That still leaves room to spare for SB or NF to fit into LBSS like F&P reccomended in 2A/B. As long as we start with rising 7th graders it will be fine. HF can take more upfront if we find it that important to jerk kids already going to SCSS out of the school.
2:53 More kinds? I hope thats a typo but I think it's a Freudian slip.
Why do bloggers here keep bringing up Hayfield's capacity this year? This study is about planning for the future not bandaiding the problem next year. LBSS is projected to have the same capaicty as Hayfield in the year 2011 and Lake Braddock is much larger! Send some to Hayfield and start sending a few to LBSS next year.
2:53
You want to pack Hayfield right? If a junior class wasn't allowed this problem could have been delayed some. If so many didn't want to leave Hayfield the problem would not have happened. I say you made your bed now lie in it, I dont want any of you all back.
Projections have LBSS at 956 seats undercapacity by the year 2015. Can someone please tell me why we are not planning to use this space next year?
Lorton Station area people need to get organized. It's a little late, but better late than never.
Start slowly sending kids to Lake Braddock. Send only 700 over the next 5 years to Lake Braddock then maintain that level and they would still be around 200 undercapacity even 8 years from now. Send 500 or so now for Hayfield and they will have about a 200 seat buffer. SCSS will be full but not busting but by 2015 time the Middle School is on the CIP. Why is this so hard to figure out?
It's not hard to figure out at all. The problem is that our SB is comprised of elected officials who obviously are catering to the deep pockets of Fairfax Station.
There are no deep pockets in Fairfax Station, just in your mind. No one is catering to those residents. Stop making statements with no substance or facts to back them up.
Because 3:46, your numbers are wrong.
Where are my numbers wrong. 956 empty seats at Lake Braddock by the year 2015. Straight from the projections on the Handouts from the town meetings this past fall. Do you live in fantasy land or just go around with your head stuck in the sand?
Yup everybody in Fairfax Station is on welfare.
5:08, where did you get your numbers? The CIP shows only up to 2012, which shows LB at +753 seats and HF at +781 seats. The Oct. meeting shows number up to 2012. Gary C. said they did not go past 2012.
http://www.fcps.edu/fts/planning/october10townmeeting.pdf
Go to page 13 of the handout.
From 2011 to 2015 have Hayfield would go from 781 to 834 empty seats.
From 2011 to 2015 Lakebraddock will go from 753 to 936 empty seats.
Lake Braddock's projections have them 130 more empty seats in just that four year time frame.
Hey Silverbrook, Newington Forest can you get your head out of the sand and face reality?
I don't think its been Newington Forest that's been offensive. Silverbrook is a different story!
Anybody who puts faith in any F&T projection for any school 10 years out doesn't have their head in the sand...it is somewhere else.
For the schools that haven't had a huge influx of new homes (ie no infill), F&P has been accurate. It's much harder to predict the influx of new housing population
Those from Lorton Station will love Hayfield when you return. You will wonder why you fought it.
Those from Silverbrook will love Lake Braddock when you arrive. You will wonder why you fought it.
Ok
So I guess we just ignore the projections because you don't think they are accurate. We have nothing else. Mckibbon's numbers pretty much tracked the same way I guess we ignore that as well. I have an idea. Lets get a collection started from the Silverbrook and Lake Braddock area to hire a second independent consultant to see what they come up with.
If you don't plan on using the best available projections then we might as well do nothing.
Silverbrook and Lake Braddock have done a study and determined that there is no space. They have proven that F&P and McKibbon are wrong again. The space is available at Mt. Vernon and Hayfield. That is where the board must look to help South County Secondary School. The room is just not there at LB.
Mr. Reed your comments don't become you.
I'm sure the Silverbrook/Lake Braddock study would be a little one-sided. I'd rather believe a non-biased study.
It's interesting that Silverbrook and LB believe that the McGibbon and F&P numbers are valid for every FCPS school OTHER than LB.
30 MS seats are available at LBSS next year, read the the CIP. Why would you transfer 400 students to LBSS next year when the room is not there? Do you do this to appease Mr. Reed and others who seemingly have some VENDETTA against the Silverbrook community. VENDETTAS seem to occur due to jealousy. Orange jealousy in this case.
936 in 2015
Start now slowy with LBSS more room is coming.
After this round it should be finished for Hayfield.
Start redistricting the North Silverbrook area to Lake Braddock with 7th and 9th graders only in 07-08. That's a nice slow easement.
Perhaps finished for Hayfield but actual vacant seats at West Po and Mt. Vernon need to be addressed and dealt with. With RT 1 road improvments and other improvements make Mt. Vernon easier to get to. If residents near the western County line in Clifton can get to Robinson then the Neck and others can get to Mt.Vernon. Hey 1:26, let's talk about actual empty seats not projected.
Anything past this year is technically a projection.
If residents across the street from Crosspointe AND the residents along Hampton and Henderson Roads can get to Lake Braddock, then the North Silverbrook area can also get to Lake Braddock.
Start with the 1st phase into Hayfield and include Mason Neck, Lorton Valley should stay at South County. In a couple of years look at Hayfield and maybe Lake Braddock to see if room is available. Most of the empty seats are out east, use them.
The originally schools that were suppose to attend South County are: Silverbrook, Halley and Newington Forest. That is what the School Board and Gary’s office said the 1st boundary study. Mason Neck was a modification to the 1st study, and they should be the 1st ones out. That creepy Dan S. is to blame.
Crosspointe residents never said they could not get to LBSS. What the issue is why should they when there is a new school no more than 2 miles from the farthest house in the SB community? The new school was built for this area as well as others. Poor boundary projections and the game of politics played by the SB with the students and residents as the playing pieces caused one big game of SORRY!
Stop with the issue of LBSS for Silverbrook, look east and look around LBSS at Robinson and others, these core schools need room. They are constantly regenerating faster than the east.
Some of you on this blog just want to stick it to Silverbrook because they did something no one else did and let's face it they had the courage to step up and challenge the system. Good for them!
Actually several of the original options proposed at the Town Meetings from 2 years ago included the Silverbrook to LB proposal.
What the school board should do is: move Silverbrook to Lake Braddock. When Lake Braddock has more room send the rest of Silverbrook over to Lake Braddock and part of Halley. That way all of Fairfax Station is at Lake Braddock. Move Gunston ES to South County along with the rest of route one. Keep Lorton ES at South County. Let Hayfield take the load from Lee High School and those schools.
I think both Hayfield and LB should be used to alleviate the overcrowding at SC. Using just one school doesn't do enough.
If you remove all of Fairfax Station out of South County, that school will be empty. Since nobody wants to go to Hayfield, let route one and Lorton stay at South County. Hayfield can ease crowding at schools nearby.
Just the North Silverbrook part of South County should go to LB. That is not all of Fairfax Station.
If Fairfax Staion is sent to Lake Braddock, South County will have lots of space available. Send Lorton and all of route 1 to South County. Hayfield can help out w/ other schools.
No other schools that share borders with Hayfield need help besides South County. South County needs to have kids from the northeast and the northwest sections of its cachement area respectively redistricted to Hayfield and Lake Braddock.
The argument that space is "only predicted" at LBSS is bogus. The space at Hayfield in 2011-12 is "predicted" and the overcrowding at SCSS is "predicted". Any data on 2011-12 has to be predicted -- it is the future. If we do nothing, the space "predicted" at Hayfield and the space "predicted" is about the same at Hayfield and LBSS.
Any action the board takes should look at 2011 and beyond. Of course we can't send 400 kids to LBSS right now, but they can take 500 over the next few years just like Hayfield can.
Lorton Valley and Mason Neck should both go to SCSS. The rest of the OC can be taken care of by LBSS using NF or SB.
Only Newington Forest, Halley and Silverbrook should attend SCSS. Send the rest to Hayfield. It's simple and makes the most sense.
Mason Neck should go back to Hayfiled. They never should have been sent to South County in the first place. Dan Stork messed up South County and West Springfield. I don't care how many kids are from that area, 1 or 1,000,000. Send them to back to Hayfield.
Scss should not be a homogeneous school with a minimal household income. That would not reflect the overall south county makeup and should not reflect the school population. Can't you all in t. his part of the county just get along. I am not even involved as I am in centerville but I can tell you all that other parts of our great county is watching an it is kind of embarrasing to see how your acting on all sides. Once and for all just make SCSS and Hayfield a place for all and forget about your selfish reasons then move on.
Centerville 12:17,
It's not just SCSS and Hayfield. It's Lake Braddock as well.
To solve the SCSS overcrowding, both Lake Braddock AND Hayfield need to be used.
BTW, your turn is coming. Just wait until next year when they try to move kids into South Lakes from Westfield and Centerville.
Centerville 12:17,
It's not just SCSS and Hayfield. It's Lake Braddock as well.
To solve the SCSS overcrowding, both Lake Braddock AND Hayfield need to be used.
BTW, your turn is coming. Just wait until next year when they try to move kids into South Lakes from Westfield and Centerville.
Centerville 12:17,
It's not just SCSS and Hayfield. It's Lake Braddock as well.
To solve the SCSS overcrowding, both Lake Braddock AND Hayfield need to be used.
BTW, your turn is coming. Just wait until next year when they try to move kids into South Lakes from Westfield and Centerville.
Hayfield seems to have the moral high ground in all this. They are the ones welcoming students back - all students. I am not sure it matters. Their generosity will probably be just taken advantage of. Stay strong Hayfield!
9:54-
Without a doubt the most laughable comment to date. This Hayfield blog is proof of that. There is no community that has the high moral ground in this.
Soon you realize it isn't the other communities to blame. It is F&T and the Board.
We did in West Springfield and we plan to make changes.
I hope WSHS can help with other communities and instigate much needed changes. It begins with the SB and a reorganization with Facilities, etc.
Nobody has taken a high moral ground in this boundary decision. The 3 at large school board members should IMHO start a county wide boundary study group and come up with 3 scenarios for the entire county complete with cost efects for taxpayers. That would include the impact on the tax rate. Then it should be put to a vote in Fall 2007. Membership in the group should be comprised of no one who has a child in FCPS or has a child who has graduated from an FCPS HS. That would remove subjective attachment. They could actually use work from Chevalier, transportation studies, and Mckibbon demographic. Those strategic governance meetings were artfully designed to get validation on universal full day k and foreign language and now we see the bdget effects of that. Those programs as well as other stuff like GTC and foreign language immersion etc could also be put to a vote.
I would never agree to removing the parents of FCPS kids from decsions affecting FCPS. Parent involvement is crucial to achieving good solutions. Those making decisions without "subjective attachment" actually do so without the detailed knowledge that people at the local level have. That is how we get reccomendations that look good on paper, but are difficult to implement in practice.
Hayfield has been reasonable in this whole siutation.
Mason Neck gets no respect.
Lorton Station has been somewhat silent.
Newington Forest has been somewhat silent.
Silverbrook has been outspoken and well organized.
Lake Braddock is running scared and allied with Silverbrook.
I think the school board should do a county wide boundary study, if that means to wait on this one. But, if they make the decision to move the Silverbrook community to Lake Braddock, I hope when (if) the capacity numbers go down, the Silverbrook community could be reunited again. If the school board and transportation are correct, Lake Braddock should have close to 1,000 seats open. That way the Silverbrook community will not be split. If part of Halley would like to join them, they should be able to. It seems the part of South County that would be redistricted to Hayfield, doesn’t want to go. The Lorton and route one should stay or return to South County. I know groups are saying Silverbrook should be spilt, but that is not good for our community. They should stay together. If that means sending the entire area to Lake Braddock, so be it. Others will have to deal with it; you can’t have your cake and eat it too. Hayfield has been the school that has been dumped on, they should get more respect. If certain areas do not want to go there, then stay at South County, let the Silverbrook community stay together.
11:39,
You are so right. One prime example of this is Steve Hunt, AtLarge Member. He has no kids at all, let alone any in the school system. He wants to allow homeschool kids to be on high school sports teams. This means students could be playing for FCPS who haven't met the FCPS academic eligibility criteria.
He is more impressed with himself for his Reserve stint in the Armed Forces. Every correspondence anyone gets from him regarding boundary issues or anything else mentions his pilot time.
Wow, and Steve seems to be the most involved and most reasonable member in this whole mess. He listens to the public, but is not afraid to call BS when he hears it.
Steve is a ultra-rightwing homophobe. Don't you remember him sending the FCPS hs principals some controversial personal opinion on School Board letterhead? He was officially reprimanded.
He was reprimanded by some left wing nuts unwilling to protect our children from predators.
10:27
I never heard that, but I don't care. I am fine with School Board members taking a stance on an issue and stating an opinion. It was controversial because he is a republican serving with democrats.
You people in Lorton Station are so closed-minded! Since when are gay teenagers predators to other teens?
From the Washington Post
"Letter on Homosexuality Prompts Rebuke From Board
School Official's Comments on 'Lifestyle Choice' Lead to Flood of Responses From Fairfax Parents
By Maria Glod
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, February 4, 2005; Page B01
The Fairfax County School Board issued a public reprimand last night to a member who sent a letter to high school principals urging them to ensure that students hear the views of people who believe homosexuality is a choice and a "destructive lifestyle."
After a unanimous vote and a nearly two-hour closed session that ended about 11, Board Chairman Phillip A. Niedzielski-Eichner (Providence) released a board statement criticizing the actions of Stephen M. Hunt (At Large).
Robert Rigby, a Falls Church High School teacher, said using a classroom setting to say that homosexuality is a choice could hurt gay students. (Frank Johnston -- The Washington Post)
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"The letter sent by Mr. Hunt was not authorized by and does not reflect the views of the School Board," according to the statement. "The School Board continues to support the family life education curriculum and its treatment of this sensitive subject."
This week, Hunt sent a letter to the district's 24 high school principals in which he expressed concerns over the way homosexuality is taught in the school system and encouraged the addition of speakers with an "ex-gay perspective."
Last night, Hunt apologized to the board, the principals, the staff and the community in a written statement and said he had "usurped board policy."
"The intent of my letter was to encourage an environment where there can be open discussion on this issue in order to foster understanding between people of different opinions in order to diffuse potential hostility that can result from the lack of that understanding," Hunt said in the statement. "I apologize . . . especially [to] those of the homosexual community, that may have been given the impression that I do not respect their rights."
Earlier yesterday, as news of the letter spread, so did the debate over a school district's role in teaching about sex and sexual preference.
Robert Rigby Jr., a gay Fairfax County schoolteacher, expressed concern that Hunt's letter might be harmful to gay students.
"The problem with promoting the ex-gay movement is it is part of a larger movement that is against gay people," Rigby said.
Hunt's letter was not reviewed by any of his colleagues on the 12-member board, and several said it was inappropriate because principals might have believed it was endorsed by the board. The two-page letter was written on personal stationery, but the signature identified Hunt as a School Board member.
Several board members said yesterday that they were flooded with e-mails and phone calls on the issue, many from people angered by Hunt's letter and some from people who support his views.
The role that schools should play in lessons on sex and sexual orientation is among the most divisive topics handled by school officials. In 2003, Fairfax officials canceled a student survey that included questions about sex because the company hired to administer it feared that parents would sue.
And in Montgomery County last year, hundreds of people weighed in when the county Board of Education considered adding a video of a woman applying a condom to a cucumber to the high school sex education curriculum.
Hunt said yesterday that he never intended to spark public debate, nor does he want the school's curriculum to change. He said he is concerned that students who believe homosexuality is wrong cannot express their opinion without being considered discriminatory.
"I was trying to provide some information for principals," Hunt said before last night's meeting. "It's beneficial in any controversial issue to get the viewpoints from all sides."
Hunt also noted that he wrote in the letter that students "should be taught to respect the rights of others, but also that one does not have to accept the ideas of another in order to respect them."
Fairfax students in two classes -- ninth-grade biology and 10th-grade personal and community health -- learn about sexual orientation.
Under Fairfax's school policy, teachers tell students that the reason for homosexuality is unknown and that "people do not choose their sexual orientation."
10:40 AM,
Where the hell did you get Lorton Station from the article. If you mean Lorton Station ES, then the problem could have been from the west 95 students that attend the school.
No, the Lorton Station people are the ones who have been commenting that all gay people are predators and that Hunt was censured because he is a GOP member.
"Anonymous said...
He was reprimanded by some left wing nuts unwilling to protect our children from predators.
1/14/2007 10:42 PM
Anonymous said...
10:27
I never heard that, but I don't care. I am fine with School Board members taking a stance on an issue and stating an opinion. It was controversial because he is a republican serving with democrats.
1/15/2007 8:47 AM "
So, like I asked, how did you come up with Lorton Station? Don't go and start accusing a Community without facts.
There is not a comment from a "Lorton Station" person saying anything against a homosexual.
Who else is so narrow-minded except the group that refuses to do right by SCSS because they are so prejudiced against Hayfield.
The "left wing nuts" you are refering to must be the communities on the LEFT side of I95 who don't won't to go to LB, and don't want the diversity.
Sorry, typo: "who don't want to go to LB, and don't want the diversity."
11:36
If they didn't want diversity then they would be going to LBSS. On the contrary, the community you speak about went to Hayfield and now SCSS and obviously diveristy is not an issue with respect to going to a certain school, the issue is and has always been about proximity and distance to a school.
Stop with the racial tones in your statements.
It gets you no where and is truly meaningless.
1:34,
If it's about proximity and distance than I believe that LSES is the CLOSEST to SCSS and therefore feed into SCSS.
1:39, Because of the Mason Neck group Lorton Station and Silverbrook, to two closest schools to South County, will not attend that school. They seemed to have bullied their way into the school and will not leave. Remember they were not even supposed to go to South County, but Dan Stork messed it up for the rest of us. I hope people remember what he did and vote him out of office.
It's not Mason Neck or Lorton Station that's causing the overcrowding. How many kids are shipped into SC from Silverbrook???
Don't be mad because your SB has Alzheimers and is ineffectual.
Steve Hunt was right. Diversity of thought and creative thinking is imperative. All sides of an issue --especially the majority -should be heard. To censor the idea that gays can change is backwords and hypocritical.
Gay teens have been predators since the days of Sodom. This is not a revelation.
So all the homosexuals need to be banished to Hayfield?
It's a fact, people. The majority must always rule...just like during the civil rights movements in the 60s. Oh, wait...
Wow, this blog gets better and better with each passing day. Homosexuals, racists, right and lerft wing nuts. I can't wait to see what's next. You folks need to ensure no more split feeders are created and fix the ones that have alrady been created. That's what's best for your children, no matter where they go.
back to topic,
There is nothing wrong with split feeders. If there was, 1/4 of FCPS schools wouldn't be split feeders.
What are you smoking. Split feeders are horrible for the kids. Quit thinking of your own selfish reasons, and think of the kids.
Only those who are split think there is nothing wrong with a split. SCSS is about #s now, not splits. This blog is a sad testiment to education. Does anyone care about the kids, the students themselves?
I agree. Splits are horrible. Send NF, Halley and Siverbrook to SCSS. Everyone else to Hayfield. Sad as that may seem. It makes the most sense.
My kids did a split. Not only did they surivive,they thrived. They kept in touch with their friends who went to the other school.
Your kids are absolutely amazing. My kids however do not need a split. Thanks for your concern,
If all of Lorton Station and Gunston ES would fit into Hayfield that would make lots of sense. Unfortunately, they will not fit not even close. Of course, once LHES is done we would be back to splits again ...
The F&P plan continues the split feed from Lorton Station and Gunston and makes Halley a split (no kidding, it really does) and sets up boundaries that pretty much ensure that Laurel Hills will be split when those boundaries are done. What a mess, but unless we do the LHES boundary first there is no other way.
I know that 5 wrongs don't make a right , but it kinda of makes the Silverbrook split issue almost meaningless.
You think if F&P really worried about splits, then they would have only proposed 2A where all of Newington Forest went to LB instead of 2B where North Silverbrook split off to LB.
What they propose and eventually approve are 2 different matters. I think the F&P group clearly knows how bad 2B is. That's why proposal 3 has found so much favor. 2B will never fly, and I doubt 2A will either.
We all know that. The SB managed to reject the essence of the F&P recommendation 3 years ago by addin 3 amendments. Last year the SB completely rejected the F&P recommendation.
Don't kid yourselves, all F&P options are on the table. Not only that, there are probably a few amendments that the SB is dreaming up right now.
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